NHL rumours 2

02 Apr 2024 15:26:37
Islanders Trade
Pulock
3rd Round Pick 2025

Leafs Trade
Kampf
Liljegren
1st Round Pick 2026 (Lottery Protected)


Thoughts ?

02 Apr 2024 15:49:54
Oh Pinball.

03 Apr 2024 22:33:43
- I applaud you for recognizing, as the rest of the hockey world does, that the construction of the leafs D needs "attention".

However,

- why would NYI be interested in giving up a D-Man they committed to long-term and granted a NTC? Because the leafs need the help?

- why would NYI take on Kampf's contract at 2.4M x 3 more years? He scores 7 goals a year, and at -4 isn't even a defensively responsible player? Kampf has negative trade value: if you want to move him, you're adding a sweetener and/ or retaining salary.

- Liljegren will be lucky to see the ice in the playoffs. He's a sweetheart who is ill-equipped for the grind of the NHL playoffs. Furthermore, he's an RFA. The more likely scenario is he doesn't get a contract offer from the leafs, and ends up signing for the league minimum wherever he can land a contract.

- the 1st is the only thing of value in this trade, and it's a late first. It's not even close to fair value.

04 Apr 2024 13:31:28
Chickenfoot.
After this season Pulock has 6 years left on his contract at 6,150.000 each year, that is a big contract for Pulock and how good he really is, yes it's a big one for The Leafs as well but they need to improve Defence imo.
Liljegren like Samsonov you rate as no value which is truly ridiculous, as Liljegren would be second in scoring on defense with The NYI with only Dobson ahead of him and Liljegren has no value?
2 years from now you are assuming Toronto is still a top team there are no guarantees that will be true is why I have it as Lottery Protected, so to say it's a late pick is an assumption.
Kampf isn't a desired player but has to be added for Cap Reasons, all teams make trades like this when Cap is involved and he is still an NHL Player not an AHL Player.
We can agree to disagree but you have Pulock rated higher than he really is and a player like Liljegren rated lower in value imo.

04 Apr 2024 15:33:28
Lily is a bottom pairing dman with some offensive upside. Potentially a top 4. His game is just inconsistent and not matured like Pollock's. Pollock has never been an offensive powerhouse from the backend. What he does do is make responsible plays with the puck and blocks a good amount of shots. Him at just over $6mill is a great deal for what he brings. Just isn't enough for the Islanders to be interested and unlikely they want to move him anyways lol.

06 Apr 2024 02:23:58
"Kampf isn't a desired player but has to be added for Cap Reasons, all teams make trades like this when Cap is involved" is a strongly inaccurate statement. I agree with chickenfoot that this is where something tangible should be added. kampf and samsonov were both picked up for free off the UFA scrap heap, I also can't imagine the leafs suddenly opening their wallets for samsonov's extension this summer.

08 Apr 2024 17:19:59
Pinball. all I can say is. good for you to finally recognize the leafs D is a rebuild.

Your plan isn't close to realistic though for reasons already explained.

I'm sure the off-season moves for your team will be as big a shock to your expectations as was the Trade Deadline. It was obvious to everyone but you that the leafs just didn't have the trade capital to make moves remotely close to what you were suggesting.

31 Mar 2024 07:58:14
ANA - Trevor Zegras
CLB - Kent Johnson, David Jiricek and 2026 1st


Frank Vatrano - Leo Carlsson - Troy Terry
Kent Johnson - Mason McTavish - Ryan Strome
Alex Killorn - Isac Lundestrom - Max Jones
Brock McGinn - Benoit Groulx - Jakob Silfverberg

Cam Fowler - Radko Gudas
Pavel Mintyukov - David Jiricek
Olen Zellweger - Jackson LaCombe


Johnny Gaudreau - Trevor Zegras - Patrik Laine
Boone Jenner - Adam Fantilli - Kirill Marchenko
Yegor Chinakhov - Cole Sillinger - Alex Nylander
Dmitri Voronkov - Sean Kuraly - Alexandre Texier

Zach Werenski - Damon Severson
Ivan Provorov - Adam Boqvist
Jake Bean - Erik Gudbranson

31 Mar 2024 14:16:21
Way to much for Zegras. Wouldn't even do it without the pick.

31 Mar 2024 21:52:56
@Quiet Guy big name that can play centre, I think jackets would be all over that

01 Apr 2024 22:24:42
I’d much, much rather have Kent Johnson then Zegras and I’d much rather have Jiricek then Johnson so wow.

Zegras might be the most overrated player in the game at this point.

03 Apr 2024 02:10:03
Wow, this is a huge overpayment.
I bet in 15 years we say Kent Johnson was the better player.

03 Apr 2024 22:36:39
I tend to agree with the others that it's a bit steep for Zegras, but Verbeek is a tough negotiator, and will likely command some kind of ransom if he moves Zegras.

Crazy things can happen at the draft, and this year's draft pool gets shallow quick. I expect a lot of picks will be traded.

04 Apr 2024 14:03:42
I don’t think Zegras brings back a top 10 pick this draft. You say he can play centre but Nylander has more FOW in one season than Zegras does his whole career. He is a 1 dimensional offensive LW in my eyes and I’d prefer a player like Konechny or Necas long term over him.

04 Apr 2024 15:52:02
Yah Zegras is overrated IMO. He's not responsible defensively at all and his offense doesn't make up for his lack of defense. He gives you a highlight real goal or play a year and returns to being mediocre.

I'm sure someone will look to add with the hopes his offensive output improves, but it shouldn't be for a top 10 pick by any means.

26 Mar 2024 22:13:47
Anaheim:
W. Nylander RW
N. Robetson RW


Toronto:
L. Carlsson C
T. Zegras RW

27 Mar 2024 10:10:34
I can't see Anaheim giving up on Zegras. and to take Nylander may create havoc on their salary. cap structure evrn though they could probably afford him.

27 Mar 2024 15:56:19
Pretty positive the Ducks want to unload Zegras. He was available at the deadline and likely will be this offseason as well. Nylanders's contract would screw the Ducks in the long run when Carlsson, McTavish, Terry, etc. need new deals.

28 Mar 2024 13:00:44
Zegras might be on the trade block this summer considering the Ducks have an abundance of young talent at forward even without him.

But Ducks fans would riot if Verbeek traded 2 futures for Nylander and Robertson.

Also Nylander has a no movement clause in his new contract and likely wouldn't waive it to be traded to Anaheim.

31 Mar 2024 22:44:33
look at zegras to be traded to nashville. hes what they are looking for offensively.

25 Mar 2024 13:54:30
At The Draft.

Ottawa Trades
BTkachuk
Hamonic
3rd Round Pick 2025*

Toronto Trades
NRobertson
Holmberg
DeWar
Liljegren
Cowan (OHL)
1st Round Pick 2024
1st Round Pick 2026 (Lottery Protected)


*Sens have 2 picks in the 2025 3rd Round, their own and Florida's.
The Leafs will decide which one they want at The 2025 Draft.


This would be a trade proposal of the ages, Ottawa imo would look at this as they are still in a rebuild and getting this much for mostly BTkachuk could help them more for their future than not doing this proposal.
Leafs get a LWinger that brings so much to the table it would be worth trading away that much youth and future to get him, Hamonic gives them also what they need a tough right-handed shooting defenceman.



Thoughts ?

25 Mar 2024 14:48:55
Ottawa won't trade Tkachuk, especially for that horrible offer of 4th line NHLers, boarder line AHLers, unproven Junior players, and late 1st round picks.
Stop already with your daily one sided, pro leaf trade follies.

25 Mar 2024 15:40:46
islandjet1
Besides DeWar who is the 4th liner? and there are no AHLers in my proposal, Easton Cowan just set a record for conservative points in London and that's not a prospect?
Liljegren would be third in Defense scoring so that's garbage as well?
Two 1st Rounders aren't worth anything else according to you.
And Holmberg is a solid Winger/ Centre and will only get better.
Look to trade Brady Tkachuk would be a bold move but what is in my proposal is the opposite of what you just posted as besides DeWar being a 4th liner, nothing else in your view applies at all.

25 Mar 2024 22:12:48
Stop it. Ottawa wouldn't accept and the little cost controlled depth we do have should be held onto.

We are a whole ass year away from being ready to make a legitimate push. We have next to zero draft capital, our goaltending is questionable at best, and we are still missing a very solid RHD.

You overvalue our players like no other man and have no idea the value of other teams' players or their importance to their current team.

25 Mar 2024 23:35:21
Adding Tkachuk would mean $62.355 million out of a possible $87.7 million salary cap will be allocated to 6 players, 5 of which are forwards. (Matthews 13.25, Nylander 11.5, Tavares 11, Marner 10.9, Reilly 7.5 and Tkachuk at 8.205)

$24.645 million left to pay 16 players, one of which would be Samsonov looking for an extension and a raise on his current $3.55m salary.

Toronto doesn't get any closer to a Stanley cup by trading their best prospect and 2 1st round picks for another forward.

26 Mar 2024 13:19:09
DrezDave
16 players to resign?
That number is way off, you might disagree with me which you are entitled to about my proposal, but please post facts not fiction.

26 Mar 2024 13:29:39
He never said we needed to resign them he's saying we have $24.645 mill to fill out 16 roster spots. That's not enough to build a contending team. I'm sure you are seeing Vegas trade away their draft capital and are thinking man we should do that too. The difference is they have guys signed at reasonable cap hits so they have built an absolute powerhouse of a team because of it. They can afford to trade draft picks away cause they are likely 3-4 years away from some key players regressing and can wait to add prospects. We are not.

26 Mar 2024 13:32:55
$10.7 million allocated to Knies, Kampf, Reaves, Mcmann, McCabe, Timmins and Woll.

So that's $73 million out of $87 million committed to 13 players.

$14 million left to sign a starting goalie, 3 NHL caliber defenseman, and 5 other NHL caliber forwards.

You want facts? You can't ice a competitive NHL roster when 84% of your teams salary is allocated to only 13 players, none of which are the starting goalie.

26 Mar 2024 13:39:37
MG69
Leafs for next season have 13 players signed, the max on a roster is 23 players so 23 - 13 is 10 not 16, please explain where the other 6 come in?

26 Mar 2024 13:52:55
DrwDave
Woll is the starter next season not Samsonov, which I believe isn't resigned.

26 Mar 2024 14:10:05
Might as well take 2.2 mill off that Hamonic makes @DrwDave so that number now becomes 11.8 mill for two NHL caliber dmen, 5 other forwards, and I won't even say a starting goalie but another goalie to share starting duties with Will. Either way it's not enough to make a competitive cup team.

26 Mar 2024 14:40:40
Good god man he is saying the rest of the cap left over after you take away the cap hits of Matthews, Tavares, Marner, Nylander, Rielly, and Tkachuk would be used on the remaining roster spots whether they are signed to us or not. He also listed the players that are signed through till next offseason and they eat up $12.9 mill. So now we are at around $11.8 mill for the remaining roster spots from either guys in our system or guys we sign. End of the day we need another NHL level goalie, at least 2 NHL level dmen, and forwards to either be signed or from our system. The number is actually even less as I didn't include Jarnkrok.

28 Mar 2024 11:06:43
Thats alot of quantity with very little quality coming from the leafs, like usual.

31 Mar 2024 11:27:05
"Thanks, I needed a good laugh. " - Steve Staios.

21 Mar 2024 21:03:24
I have an interesting proposal.

Columbus Trades
Laine*

Toronto Trades
Kampf**
Holmberg


*Columbus retains 50% of Laine's remaining contract.

**Columbus would have to be on Kampf's modified no trade clause or he would have to waive it to accept a trade to The Jackets.


Now I know Laine is dealing with mental issues and unless he is ready next season it makes no sense for The Leafs to take this gamble.
Columbus I believe will try to get whatever they can to trade Laine, and this gives them 2 NHLers for Patrick.


Thoughts ?

21 Mar 2024 23:58:57
"The NHL is projecting the salary cap to rise to $87.7 million for next season, Commissioner Gary Bettman said after the Board of Governors meetings concluded Tuesday. " December 5 2023 via NHL. com

Your idea of a solution to Torontos stanley cup drought is to put $58.5 million out of a possible $87.7 million towards 6 players? (Matthews 13.25, Nylander $11.5, Tavares $11, Marner 10.9, Reilly $7.5, and Laine for $4.35)

Are they going to pay the starting goalie in timbits?

22 Mar 2024 00:04:02
I wish you'd get locked out of your own account so I could finally stop reading these proposals.

If Laine is such a lost cause for Columbus, why would Toronto need him?

Im sure an overhyped sniper with "mental issues" is just what 99.9% of Leafs fans have been waiting for Treliving to trade for.

22 Mar 2024 12:12:10
@DrwDave I've just come to the conclusion that he bases his idea on what the Leafs need on what works on NHL 24. This idea that we can continue to pay our forwards a king's ransom, not address the actual needs of the team, and expect a different result is getting old.

22 Mar 2024 19:00:36
That Tavares contract will be off the books next offseason.

23 Mar 2024 00:17:01
Laine at 4.35M wouldn’t be an issue at all? Heck no from Columbus.

25 Mar 2024 11:28:55
Makes perfect sense. add another one-dimensional, formerly offensive player, to a lineup in clear need for help on the back end.

I agree with DrwDave that it would be a blessing to have Pinball locked out of his account. The compulsive posting of garbage got old a loooooooong time ago.

25 Mar 2024 16:24:01
It doesn’t even matter how your team is made up, if you can add Laine at 4.35M you do it.

26 Mar 2024 08:30:22
I have read this proposal several times now, still can't find the interesting part.

21 Mar 2024 20:37:18
Arizona Trades
Durzi

Toronto Trades
NRobertson
Liljegren
Villeneuve (AHL)


Thoughts ?

19 Mar 2024 16:54:23
Blues Trade
Buchnevich*
3rd Round Pick 2024 (NYR Pick)

Leafs Trade
Holmberg
Kampf**
1st Round Pick 2024

*Blues retain 50% of Buchnevich's expiring contract.

**Kampf will have to waive his modified no trade clause if The Blues aren't part of clause.


Thoughts ?

19 Mar 2024 19:55:19
hi. St. Louis? wanna trade 2 of your quality players for a bag of nothing? No? okay. I'll try somewhere else.

19 Mar 2024 23:20:51
2 of St. Louis Blues quality players balsam8?
Buchnevich agreed is a top forward on an expiring contract next season, and The Blues tried trading him at the deadline retaining 50% of his contract, the other quality player is the 3rd Rounder?
Leafs Players are a bag of nothing including a 1st Rounder?
Sorry you aren't making any sense at all imo.

20 Mar 2024 12:05:52
He's referring to the trade below. But man two fourth liners and a 1st are not getting a top 6 winger and a third. It just isn't happening. We don't need help upfront man, we really truly do not. We need stability in net and some stability on the back end. Like vbbb has said before once Tavares is off the books and is either brought back on a Spezza/ Gio deal or walks that is when we are going to really be competitive. Roughly $9mill to add a good piece or two that will push us over the top. We need to use the little draft capital we do have to replenish our prospect pool. Alot of our prospects are hitting that 23-24 age and most haven't been good enough to compete for a roster spot. And because of that their value in a trade isn't going to be much.

20 Mar 2024 21:14:01
Buchnevich will get St. Louis a much better return than this. There's no rush when they have him for another year.

Toronto also doesn't solve any of their issues with this trade. They have too much cap space tied up on forwards, very few prospects, and even fewer draft picks to build their prospect pipeline.

20 Mar 2024 21:17:06
Even if the Leafs could somehow convince St. Louis to retain 50% salary on Buch, which with this package they cant, that $2.9m would still mean Toronto is using almost $50 million of their team salary to pay 5 forwards.

Because you're a Leafs fan, I have to assume you already know using more than half the teams salary on forwards is not going to win them a cup. right?

21 Mar 2024 16:22:29
Absolutely brutal.

Pinball, even your fellow leaf fans think your trades make no sense, yet you resist everyone's feedback.

Your pre-trade deadline trade ideas were waaaaaay off, and now you're fixated on some version of a trade with STL that's so far off it's a complete waste of everyone's time.

24 Mar 2024 22:27:06
Blues may get a sign and trade for buch at draft.

18 Mar 2024 14:47:49
At The Draft.

Blues Trade
Buchnevich*
Parayko

Leafs Trade
Holmberg
Kampf**
Villeneuve (AHL)
1st Round Pick 2024
5th Round Pick 2024***

*Blues retain 50% of Buchnevich's expiring contract.

**Kampf would have to waive his modified no trade clause.

***Leafs have 3 5th Round Picks in the 2024 Draft, Blues get to choose which one they want.


Treliving I believe will be looking to get bigger and tougher on Defense as well adding a Top Winger for the top 6.

St.Louis might bite at this proposal as it will give them some youth and draft picks minus Kampf of course as he would be a Cap Dump.


Thoughts ?

19 Mar 2024 01:42:19
People know Leafs are desperate to win with the "Core 4". To get better players, Cowen, Mitten are gonna be included. Your 1st is a late 20's the rest is meh. kinda blah. I think if Leafs don't win this year, the window is closed.

19 Mar 2024 01:43:32
Unless Woll becomes upper echelon goalie.

19 Mar 2024 02:31:17
That doesnt get you parayko or buch by itself.

19 Mar 2024 17:09:50
Once the Tavares contract expires and he signs a league minimum contract ( Jason Spezza/ gio like ) then the leafs window truly opens.

20 Mar 2024 21:07:07
Adding another forward won't change the outcome with the Toronto Maple Leafs

Trading another 1st round pick won't change the outcome with the Toronto Maple Leafs

Sit still and stock up some prospects. They need to balance the books and get Marner signed before they can figure out the rest.

2025-26 they'll be back better, until then the Leafs need to sit and their fans need to chill.

12 Mar 2024 13:30:05
At The Draft.

Calgary Trades
Huberdeau*

Toronto Trades
Kokkonen (AHL)
1st Round Pick 2024
1st Round Pick 2026

*Flames retain 1.5 million a year of Huberdeau's remaining contract.


Leafs will have flexibility Cap wise after this season and a trade proposal like this is something both teams might look at, Huberdeau hasn't worked out in Calgary for whatever reason but he is still a Top 6 LWinger imo regardless of his stats the last few years.



Thoughts ?

12 Mar 2024 17:55:58
Calgary takes this offer in a heartbeat this would be an absolute fleecing by Conroy.

Also adding another forward at $9m for 7 more years is not the answer for the Leafs lack of success, you're a Leafs fan so I would assume you already know having more than half the team salary locked up on 5 forwards isn't going to win a cup.

12 Mar 2024 17:58:12
By the way doing this trade would mean Tavares is gone, and after resigning Marner there will be no cap space for Knies, or to fix any of the issues with defense.

Once again, you're a Leafs fan so I'm assuming you know the Leafs need to solve their issues with defense.

12 Mar 2024 19:12:34
Man what lol. Even at 10 million no one is taking Huberdeau especially not the leafs.

12 Mar 2024 20:03:05
Stop this nonsense and delusion. You're really just all for having zero and I mean ZERO depth and not addressing our defense what so ever. Conroy would take this deal in a heartbeat and we would be the laughing stock of the league for paying 6 players north of $9mill next year and expecting to win.

12 Mar 2024 21:51:57
Unfortunately for the Flames and Conroy, they are stuck with this contract. I cant see any GM in the league taking this on.

13 Mar 2024 12:27:11
The scales have tipped. Pinball is now a Calgary fan by the looks of this post.

14 Mar 2024 13:14:26
- Pinball, you are lucky you're not the GM of your beloved leafs.

- I'm not sure how you can possibly ignore your D in favour of trades that mostly target forwards.

- If you watch the playoffs closely this year you will see that teams that build depth in all positions are the ones that are successful.

- To this end, cap management is essential, which means intelligent drafting and development.

- Your team has only 4 of their 12 picks in the first 4 rounds of the next 3 drafts. and you want to trade 2 more of them?

- Teams can't consistently trade away as many picks as the leafs do without it impacting their lineup. Dubas failed, and Treliving did the right thing hanging on to his 2 remaining first round picks.

- Teams need players on cheap ELC's making contributions, especially teams that have too many 10M+ salaries.

- Watch the playoffs and see what successful teams do to become winners. It will help you to create more realistic and readable posts.

08 Mar 2024 13:34:08
Blues Trade
Buchnevich*
Parayko
Blais
3rd Round Pick 2024 (NYR Pick)

Leafs Trade
Brodie
Liljegren
Kampf
NRobertson (AHL)
1st Round Pick 2024
1st Round Pick 2026 (Lottery Protected)

*Blues retain 50% of Buchnevich's remaining contract.


If Toronto really wants to make a splash and go for it this year adding these 3 players will help huge imo.


Thoughts ?

08 Mar 2024 19:03:42
- Puts leaves over the cap.

- Doug Armstrong is a credible GM. Give him a little credit. No way he gives up those players for this kind of package.

08 Mar 2024 17:17:22
Thats aweful completly aweful.

08 Mar 2024 17:29:09
Liljgren
Nemila
1st 2024
1st 2025
Minten
2nd 2024.

08 Mar 2024 22:18:23
Honestly, tor just doesn't have what it takes to make that trade not at all.

19 Mar 2024 23:20:29
If you were to replace Lili with someone else I’d do that @redwing1 I don’t think teams are prepared to give up what’d you’d expect for Paryanko and Buch not that you overate them just that teams generally don’t pay as much as people expect in those types of deals. I fully think Paryanko is close to being on par with Morgan Rielly.

07 Mar 2024 19:05:29
Habs- kovacevic

Van- podkolzin


Habs- Allen 50%retain


Col- Beaucage


Habs- armia


LA- kaliev

Or Nyi - Wahlstrom